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[AdamCarrington]

Rose Byrne or whatever her name is could never play Alexis. No make up artist in the world could ever make that girl as beautiful as Joan Collins OR Elizabeth Hurley--- she wasn't a super model for nothing, by the way. I thought Liz Hurley was good in Bedazzled... I think she is the best for Alexis, but you people are entitled to disagree... And being stunningly beautiful IS imperative for the role. An "up and coming" plain jane will not do the role justice.

I also don't understand what planet you people are on that think Joan has had a WONDERFUL acting career at all, but especially in the previous 5-10 years before Dynasty... In her biographies she says she was practically on food stamps due to not making any money, her speding habits, and her husband(s) drug habits... She was not the glamorous STAR some of you are under the delusional impression that she was, before Dynasty came into her life. BUT believe what you want....

[Gatsbyesque]

Rose Byrne or whatever her name is could never play Alexis. No make up artist in the world could ever make that girl as beautiful as Joan Collins OR Elizabeth Hurley--- she wasn't a super model for nothing, by the way. I thought Liz Hurley was good in Bedazzled... I think she is the best for Alexis, but you people are entitled to disagree... And being stunningly beautiful IS imperative for the role. An "up and coming" plain jane will not do the role justice.

I also don't understand what planet you people are on that think Joan has had a WONDERFUL acting career at all, but especially in the previous 5-10 years before Dynasty... In her biographies she says she was practically on food stamps due to not making any money, her speding habits, and her husband(s) drug habits... She was not the glamorous STAR some of you are under the delusional impression that she was, before Dynasty came into her life. BUT believe what you want....

Before the huge drought in Joan's career she enjoyed the type of salary that would have made her A-list in her day, and she shared the screen with people like Bette Davis and Richard Burton. She sat at Bette Davis' feet in The Virgin Queen. Do you know how matronly ALL of her peers seemed by the 70's? Much less at the onset of Dynasty in the early 80's? LOL. Joan was one of the few people around in the 70's and 80's who could legitimately claim to be one of the "Old Hollywood" players and held onto her beauty and youth longer than ANY of them, which came handy come Dynasty. Granted, by that time, the average Joe had forgotten who she was, but I'm sure it all clicked when Dynasty started heating up. Why would anyone be confused as to why she's considered an icon? The reason why people continue to associate her with the glamour, success, and the allure of the old studio days of Hollywood is because she used those qualities in tandem with her stage experience to craft Alexis, her most famous character, back when Dynasty was still being styled after and filmed very much like films and celebrities from that era. It makes perfect sense.

In any case, I don't think Elizabeth Hurley is anywhere near as beautiful as Joan was in her heyday. And Liz was only a "supermodel" on paper because of the Estee Lauder contract and the name recognition from being embroiled with Hugh Grant during his big call-girl fiasco. You're being very, very generous to call her one. She has hardly made a career out of fashion - that industry's never had much use for her. And there are a great many legit supermodels who aren't even considered to be naturally "beautiful", so I fail to see what bearing that has on anything.

I maintain that Rose Byrne could convincingly play Alexis because of her training, and poise as an actress. And her dark features fit the rough mold of the character. You're right, she IS NOT the ideal choice because she doesn't possess Joan's resplendent beauty, but I'll take a girl who can ACT her tail off, before a beauty who doesn't even remind you of the original Alexis at all and can't act on top of that.

Liz Hurley - A model with an acting resume that would amuse most people.

Demi Moore - an actress whose relationship with the critics has been tenuous at best. Throughout the duration of her career, people have questioned, if not bemoaned Demi Moore's acting 'talent'.

If that's the best anyone can do, they seriously ought to consider leaving Alexis out of any such plans. They would not merely be casting a beautiful face. There was A LOT more to Alexis than that. Let us not forget the manner in which Joan inhabited that role. Her portrayal of Alexis was meticulous if not immaculate. Season 2 was a tour du force performance. The tone of her voice, her swagger, the aristocratic tilt-and-pivot of her head and shoulders. lol It was... magic. Can you imagine Demi or... Liz pulling off the nuances of such an immaculately portrayed role? The thought itself is cringeworthy.

[DCR]

Season 2 was a tour du force performance. 

Tour de force.

And don't forget that a lot of people also questioned Joan Collins' acting for years.

[Jay!]

No, Alexis has a soft side and emotions, look at her scenes with Dex, and she'd do anything for her children. 

Here we go again, Alexis and her children. Alexis would have sold each and every one for a buck. She never cared for her children.

Demi Moore - an actress whose relationship with the critics has been tenuous at best. Throughout the duration of her career, people have questioned, if not bemoaned Demi Moore's acting 'talent'.

But they've praised Joan? Hardly.

Get over it, Joan Collins cannot act. She was convincing as Alexis because she was Alexis.

And don't forget that a lot of people also questioned Joan Collins' acting for years.

Some of us still do!

[allegre]

Some of us still do!

Ladies please mind where your swinging those handbags !!

[DCR]

Here we go again, Alexis and her children.  Alexis would have sold each and every one for a buck.  She never cared for her children.

Oh, I think she cared a lot if her male children, sometimes on an almost incestuous way. Remember that she stoped her actions concerning the merge with Denver Carrigton for Adam and forgave immediatly Steven for his testimony against her.

As for her daughters, she cared of her too, as long as they didn't enter in competition with her. It's not a question of money but of vanity. She couldn't let her daughters win over her.

Now, it's clear that I wouldn't say she has a soft side. She had been hurted into her vanity because she lost against Blake and receveid the bad role in front of her children. Everytime she was sad, it was because her ego suffered, not her heart. And Dex knew it and was the only one to accept her like she was, letting her having the first role... until he met Sable.

[Gatsbyesque]

Tour de force.

And don't forget that a lot of people also questioned Joan Collins' acting for years. 

Thanks for correcting that typo. Somehow, I don't think Joan was the Demi of her era. People questioned her choice of roles after her career started to flag, and some of her personal decisions. She was never considered a bad actress. But that title has more or less been synonymous with Demi except for 1 or 2 roles. She has never experienced universal acclaim for anything she's done on screen except for maybe Charlie's Angels. lol Reviews for Ghost were split. You might like to see Joanie placed in that situation, but she's not and never has been.

[Gatsbyesque]

Here we go again, Alexis and her children.  Alexis would have sold each and every one for a buck.  She never cared for her children.

That's not true. She was just a domineering control-freak, much like Blake. They both did identical things to different kids... The writers just had this way of making Blake's mistakes seem like they came out of genuine concern, but when Alexis did the exact same thing it was a whole different story. See: countless discussions with regard to how they systematically turned each character into a charicature/cartoon version of how they were originally written.

Blame the real life capitalists, The Shapiros, and John Forsythe for that abysmal turn.

But they've praised Joan? Hardly.

She is far more acclaimed than Demi Moore. That much is for sure. Until very recently, Demi was lambasted left and right. She also doesn't have any of the training Joan's received. She couldn't even feed a camera dialogue correctly before. She's terrible.

Get over it, Joan Collins cannot act. She was convincing as Alexis because she was Alexis.

Maybe you need to get over it? The original point of the discussion was who should play Alexis, so this doesn't take anything away from what I said. If Joan really was Alexis, then that certainly was not to the detriment of her performance, was it? Neither Liz Hurley or Demi seem to possess the talent or experience to carry the character off in a manner that'll come anywhere close to what she did. Diminishing the perception of her talent at her craft does nothing to elevate their skills anywhere. They are still infinitely worse at it than her, which doesn't help your argument.

[Gatsbyesque]

Oh, I think she cared a lot if her male children, sometimes on an almost incestuous way.

Funny, someone here said the same thing about Fallon's relationship to Blake. I agree with you, though.

until he met Sable.

And even then, he still wasn't over her.

[Jay!]

That's not true.  She was just a domineering control-freak, much like Blake.  They both did identical things to different kids... The writers just had this way of making Blake's mistakes seem like they came out of genuine concern, but when Alexis did the exact same thing it was a whole different story.  See: countless discussions with regard to how they systematically turned each character into a charicature/cartoon version of how they were originally written.

This has been discussed in a previous thread, so I'm not going there.

She is far more acclaimed than Demi Moore.  That much is for sure.  Until very recently, Demi was lambasted left and right.  She also doesn't have any of the training Joan's received.  She couldn't even feed a camera dialogue correctly before.  She's terrible.

Same could be said for Joan.

Maybe you need to get over it?  The original point of the discussion was who should play Alexis, so this doesn't take anything away from what I said.  If Joan really was Alexis, then that certainly was not to the detriment of her performance, was it?  Neither Liz Hurley or Demi seem to possess the talent or experience to carry the character off in a manner that'll come anywhere close to what she did.  Diminishing the perception of her talent at her craft does nothing to elevate their skills anywhere.  They are still infinitely worse at it than her, which doesn't help your argument.

Chill. Maybe you should learn poeople have opinions. I don't worship Joan as some do. She was a washed up B-actress bordering on porn.

[DCR]

Funny, someone here said the same thing about Fallon's relationship to Blake.  I agree with you, though.

Yes, Blake forgave a lot to his daughters (he was very nice with Amanda when she divorced of Michael and had an affair with Dex without his consent for instance) and even encouraged the strange feelings of Fallon whereas he was implacable with his sons.
It's one of the thing I like very much in "Dynasty". There are not such bizarre relationships in other soap operas. It's quite "Freudian" actually.

[Jay!]

I don't know ... Blake got pretty fed up with Fallon sleeping with cop who was trying to send him to jail!

[Alexis Marissa M...]

Why not just cast Joan Collins as Alexis? I hear she´d be perfect... Right look and old enough!

[allegre]

Why not just cast Joan Collins as Alexis? I hear she´d be perfect... Right look and old enough! 

Inspired !!!!!! You might be onto something there !!!!

[DCR]

I don't know ... Blake got pretty fed up with Fallon sleeping with cop who was trying to send him to jail!

That's because season 9 tried different dynamics in order to renew the show. But it worked eventually because sleeping with someone who want to have you in jail is unforgivable... I think!
It's not like having an affair with Peter De Vilbis or an alien!

[Gatsbyesque]

This has been discussed in a previous thread, so I'm not going there.

Well, seeing as though you went there first, I was merely following your lead. If you want to drop it, now, go ahead.

Same could be said for Joan.

"She is far more acclaimed than Demi Moore." -- She's recieved numerous awards and honors, particularly as an actress. I'm sure Demi doesn't have a medal from the president sitting on her mantel, thanking her for her contribution to the arts. Joan, on the other hand recieved just that from the British Monarchy.

"Until very recently, Demi was lambasted left and right." -- Joan's ability to act has never been "lambasted left and right."

"She also doesn't have any of the training Joan's received." -- Fact. Joan is a trained theater actress and has performed in countless productions between film, television, and the stage. Although, I think she can act NOW, Demi has about a quarter of the experience, and zero acting training which has reflected in her work from day one.

"She couldn't even feed a camera dialogue correctly before. She's [was] terrible." -- This is probably the last thing anyone would say about Joan Collins, even if they don't like her work.

The same could be said for Joan? Sure.

Chill.  Maybe you should learn poeople have opinions.

LOL. Take your own advice...

I don't worship Joan as some do.  She was a washed up B-actress bordering on porn.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Quite clearly, you dislike the old dame. That much is written in stone. Thankfully, your propaganda against her career isn't.

Now, in the words of the first Mrs. Carrington... "That will be all."

[Gatsbyesque]

Yes, Blake forgave a lot to his daughters (he was very nice with Amanda when she divorced of Michael and had an affair with Dex without his consent for instance) and even encouraged the strange feelings of Fallon whereas he was implacable with his sons.
It's one of the thing I like very much in "Dynasty". There are not such bizarre relationships in other soap operas. It's quite "Freudian" actually.

Yes! It is very Freudian and I'm sure that was intentional.

The desperation of those two to control the lives of their offspring was really terrible... I think the writers intended for that to be an exaggeration of what everyday people do regarding their children, even in adulthood... At the beginning, I think it was hard for some people to watch what was going on in their world and flirt with the idea that someone was really living like that. They probably said, "What would the average Joe do maintain control of his surroundings if he had the power and money these people do and could pull puppet strings." When they started to think like that, the show went from painfully opulent to fabulously entertaining and then just became really expensive trash... and that's I think where the love-hate relationship with the fans began.

[DCR]

The show was not painfully opulent at its begining, it was fabulously written, especially for the time. But it was too much subtle for the average american audience so it had to be "retooled" in order to be more easy to watch, like "Dallas".
Fortunately, what we lost in great writing was replaced by great campiness. And so it worked! Until a certain point...

[*alexismarissa*]

Why not just cast Joan Collins as Alexis? I hear she´d be perfect... Right look and old enough! 

the only person who could ever play alexis is joan collins everyone else would pale in comparison.

[Jay!]

Now, in the words of the first Mrs. Carrington... "That will be all."

I'm sure it won't be. Big words, little meaning. The world is full of Alexis Wannabes!